H&K - Ep 25
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Helen: [00:00:00] Welcome to Two Gins In, A Designer's Perspective. We're your hosts, Karyn and Helen, both qualified and experienced building and interior designers. So grab
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Helen: Welcome listeners. If dabbling in a bit of gardening, strolling through a national park, or simply soaking up the beauty of a well planned garden brings you joy, then today's episode is for you. We're thrilled to have Adam McDonald, Director and Creative Head at Impressions Landscape Design joining us today.
With an illustrious career marked by national recognition for his exceptional designs, Adam brings a wealth of expertise to our [00:01:00] conversation. Renowned for his innovative use of planting and horticulture, Adam's designs seamlessly blend technical precision with artistic flair, creating multi layered spaces that captivate and connect.
Join us as we delve into Adam's journey into landscape design, exploring his inspirations and the strategies he employs to overcome challenges and challenges. And exceed client's expectations. Get ready for an insightful discussion on the true art of garden making and the modern vision behind Impressions Landscapes Designs, Timeless Appeal.
So grab your drink of choice, sit in your favorite garden and tune in for a captivating dialogue with a passionate leader in the field of landscape design.
Karyn: Hello, and welcome back to the podcast this afternoon, or it is this afternoon, isn't it? Yes, it is. We have Adam McDonald from Impression Landscapes join us.
So thanks for joining us this afternoon, Adam.
Adam McDonald: Yeah, no, glad to join you girls. So good. We've [00:02:00] known
Karyn: each other for quite some time. We've worked on a few projects together. So you're a Sydney based landscaping company and you provide complete landscaping design, construction, concrete pool design, garden maintenance services, which is fantastic.
And you've been established since 2003 with your business partner, Adam Tenko. So Helen and I just want to wish you a happy 21st because that means you're 21 this year.
Adam McDonald: Yeah, I tell you what, you've beat me to the punch. I didn't even realize that I should know that kind of stuff, but yeah, it's it's gone by very quickly and yeah, it's all, I guess we're recording these years early in the piece, but now it's just it's just keep flowing into the next one.
But 21. Yep.
Karyn: You'll have to have some sort of celebration, the 21st birthday. So I'm just going to quote. A little bit from your website, which Helen and I absolutely love this. So you say you don't prescribe to social media trends and refuse to adopt popular cookie cutter design formulas, each client, each briefing, each property is unique and so are our designs.
We love to be [00:03:00] creative and to explore. Helen and I absolutely love that when we read it because it resonates with us and that's how we treat our clients. So yeah, I love that about you. So tell us a little bit about Adam. Yourself, how you ended up in the industry and how you came together with your business partner and what you do.
Okay.
Adam McDonald: It all started I've always like being creative in, in, in school. I, I was like very good at art and and things like that. And I looked at professions that would be creative based. We looked at graphic design at one point
did some,
Yeah, I did some work placement doing that.
And I enjoyed it, but I was didn't like the whole thing of feeling like I was in this office and closed in and it was very one dimensional and whatnot. With that sort of like when I was reached a point really where I was like what am I going to do? I couldn't really come up with anything.
And then my mom my mother, she's an avid gardener. She loves gardening. And And so did my grandfather as well, actually. And through just the way that it worked out was like, mum was just like why don't you, why don't you get into like gardening or [00:04:00] landscaping? And then I'm like, Oh yeah, I could do that.
But I would like to be creative. And and then she said, she, I think she started to even look into it a bit more than me. And then she's why don't you be like a garden design? Yeah. There's such a thing as a garden designer. And anyway, from there it actually. Spilled pretty quickly into that and we started chasing that pathway.
And with that, it's got a job at flower
Karyn: power
Adam McDonald: and enjoyed that just, getting used to plants and whatnot enjoyed that. And then basically thought okay, what am I going to do? I'm going to have to do some kind of study. I actually put myself into a diploma of horticulture at ride with that.
Yeah. Basically that gave me, a bit of a insight into what, that was a landscape design driven course that one as well. It was very much about the design and that's where I wanted to head. Basically yeah, started to pick that up, worked at FlowerPower for a bit started to meld them together a little bit.
A little bit, somewhat. And then I really enjoyed that. And I thought what's the next step from here? I looked around, I saw the landscape and I'm like, I need to get some practical experience. I need to know, [00:05:00] understand how things work because obviously it's great to be able to come up with these crazy ideas, but.
You've got to make sure that they're going to function and you're going to work from a design point of view.
Helen: Absolutely.
Adam McDonald: And and then basically I started looking for local landscaping work. I actually managed to get a job with the local landscape. I was just a small landscape operator and and so I was doing that while I was studying and then also doing flower power on the weekends.
Karyn: Wow. You're a very busy boy. Yeah.
Adam McDonald: And and then, yeah, I really enjoyed that side of it, which actually caught me off guard, like the actual hands on side of landscaping. Seeing it come together as I got into it further and further, oh, there goes my phone, we'll get rid of that. As we got into it further and further we, could understand how it all comes together a bit more.
And then. I just was hooked from there basically. We kept going through the course, kept doing my landscaping completed the course in design started doing some, like some like freelance design work, which I enjoyed very hard to get started with in the industry, like when you're [00:06:00] coming from the, like when you have a background in it and especially where I was, we hadn't, I hadn't formally been trained in a studio or anything like that.
And and then, yeah, so what happened was I went, I decided to put myself through the trade course as well. So that I could build and working through that, I actually met my business partner, Adam Tanko. Is that
Karyn: where you met? I wasn't quite sure where you met. Yeah, there you go. And
Adam McDonald: and from there, like we hit it off.
We, we got on really well and we had a very similar intention with like why we were there. And it just happened very organically. We said, He just started doing little projects together. He came and worked for my boss at the time. We started subcontracting, doing out doing work for him, then going doing work for ourselves.
I was still doing more designs on the side and then it just slowly built from there really. And usually it's a team effort. And that it took its natural progression. So it was now that I look back at it and we're talking about it, actually it's quite amazing that we've got to the point that we have, because obviously the landscape construction side, there's, that, that's, that, that was well and truly [00:07:00] covered and but a lot of the design has been through, just learning and observing and seeing how other people do it.
I probably didn't have the luxury of. Being educated and, flowing through like a design studio and seeing how everything works, how they systemize the design process and how they operate, generally. So it's, there's been a lot of there's been a lot of mistakes along the way, you just got to make sure that you learn from those mistakes and then they become.
Karyn: That's so true because I've referenced this before when I was a junior designer. And. An older designer at the time said to me, Oh, you won't come into, you've got the formal education and you're just starting out, but you need to learn along the way. And you won't come into your own as a competent designer until you're well into your forties.
And to say to someone who was a 20 something at the time, it's surely not. But I think any design career and we're all being creative. You learn along the way and you do, you have to make those mistakes to become a better designer. So in saying that, you've had to learn along the way and didn't go through that [00:08:00] formal studio training.
I, that's, I think that's with every design career. There's lots of learning to be done along the way.
Adam McDonald: Definitely. No, that's very correct. Even, to this point, to this day, I would never say that, that I've stopped learning, you'll continue learning the whole way through.
It is a long road and that's been, a challenge with, having design staff as well is trying to, obviously like fast track them, give them that information and help them learn. But, that can sometimes be frustrating for them as well, because, I think especially this day and age, young people like to think that they can learn everything so quickly and become a king in their own domain. It takes many years to get.
Helen: Yeah, and being creative as well. It's not just the learning. You need that education as a background, and you need all the principles of design. And for you, you need that understanding of that whole horticultural thing, which is another whole other area of learning construction side of it's like us.
We need to know. How a building is put together, all the rules [00:09:00] and regs and whatnot, because you're obviously working within certain boundaries, but there's that creative element. And most people that are creative, we're going into these areas because we are creative and we're trying, we want to fulfill that need.
We, it's really important that we keep getting our inspiration from somewhere and that fresh inspiration to keep us being creative and not just churning out the same old, but being, adding the personal touch that each individual client wants. But at the same time being creative, is there anything in particular, how do you stay inspired to be creative with, within all your projects?
Adam McDonald: Yeah, no, that's a good question. I think, there's a lot of inspiration out there and it, Can come from, very varied ways of looking at things. Obviously there's like plenty of other landscape architects and garden designers, and that's an easy resource to, to tap into.
And, that can be, they can be international, there's a lot of great local designers in Australia even. But. I think I think, it can be many things. I, it can be nature. Even I find a lot of inspiration in nature and something that we're continually working on is like [00:10:00] trying to find that sort of that understated value to like a garden design project so that it's it needs to look, it needs to be designed.
You want it to know it's designed, but even like the sense of emotion and, like euphoria that a garden can give you by being in it. If you were to go to a national park, for instance, and you walk in and then, there's an overload of greenery and it's so beautiful. But like, when you look at it, you study it and you're like what makes it so beautiful?
It's because it's so natural, so obviously it's never going to, we're never going to replicate that. And we don't try to replicate that. Cause I think that's like next to impossible, but I think I think there's an element to that, that we've tried, like I'm very big on that we want to try and tap into.
So it's, yes, it's when it's completed, it, it's not overpowered there's beautiful balance, symmetry, there's. There is an impact to it, but it's not like in your face and glaring. It's a little bit understated, and that's
Karyn: what
Adam McDonald: we look for.
Karyn: I guess for you, that's striking that balance between the aesthetic and the appeal of the landscape and its functionality. So how do you, is there any projects that come to mind where that was a [00:11:00] little bit of a challenge or how do impressions, how do you do that? How do you balance that?
Adam McDonald: Yeah that, and that, that's.
That sort of leads into what we were just discussing, so a big part of it on every project we're very big on, we want to make sure that we create a unique garden design, like that is like a paramount and that's probably, it could be, it can be a blessing and a curse because it almost means that.
We're challenging ourselves constantly every time.
Helen: Yeah.
Adam McDonald: To try and push the point, we don't, we're like you, you mentioned earlier in the piece, we're really not a cookie cutter landscape design studio at all. And, it'd be a lot easier if we were,
Karyn: but
Adam McDonald: I feel like I'd get so bored with that.
And I love the challenge of, trying to recreate something new and there's an evolution and even looking back on our projects, I can look at them and I can see. That evolution and it's continually getting that a little bit better every time, which is great. So that, that is the challenge, but, we've got a few gardens that we've done where the form and the function does come into play [00:12:00] because, we have to try and find that harmony sometimes something that is, completely functional will be quite.
Unsightly and obviously on the other side of things, if it's like completely beautiful, but not functional, then people will just, they'll get over it straight away and leave a sour taste in their mouth. I guess it currently we've got, we've got some projects on our website, a lot of our projects I think are driven like that, but we've got one called Glenn's garden that you could see on our website if you were to view it.
And with that one, there was a big part of that was, the restraints of there was like. The council side, obviously, that we always have to tackle, but that's always
Karyn: fun.
Adam McDonald: Yes, but we wanted to, the brief with the client, he wanted something that was a statement piece and it was, really beautiful.
It was quite masculine, but then we wanted to also tone it down and make it soft with our planting. But the form and the function come into it with trying to create the perfect function to the pool area that was like. We wanted, we decided early in the piece, we're going to set it out of ground and maximize [00:13:00] our our compliance to a CDC approval.
And so we raised it and then allowed us to then connect from the entertaining space, a runway style deck that would run all the way into the pool area. and elevate it. So it's quite, quite a dramatic effect. So that all the sunken planting as you walk to the, it guides you to the pool area, you walk through the planting.
That's probably like a way where, like an example of how we playing with function and form and really trying to really go over the next level with our thinking on that so that, it turns into something special. And that's probably the best part of the design is that like when you challenge like that, you can come up with something like really special.
Helen: Yeah, it forces you to think outside the square, doesn't it? And then you come across these sort of happy accidents, where you go, I wouldn't have thought of that. Like you just said, if I didn't have this challenge to overcome.
Karyn: Yeah. And
Helen: it's set there to challenge us and to make us, come up with a creative solution to a problem, or an issue or.
Karyn: We're
Helen: currently
Karyn: working on a project with you. So this is just a side question here. [00:14:00] It's a commercial, quite a large commercial build. I'm really fascinated as to how let's, it's going to be a great building, but let's basically break it down. It's just a big rectangle. So how, like, how did you come up with the concepts for that to make it?
Because the. The client is that's how we got the introduction to the job was by yourself, but he's so excited about what you've done. I'd love to, I'm sure our listeners would love to know how do you turn a big box into something that's,
Adam McDonald: with that project, Karyn we've actually like what we've it's, it was a two tiered approach.
So we've already done the residential design for that client, the actual he's commercial. Cool. Premises, which you guys are working on. We actually haven't gotten into that one yet. So we're about to start. So yeah, I guess we'll have those thoughts and challenges come to us very shortly because I know what you're talking about.
It is just a big box and there's a lot of limiting factors, but I do know that, a part of our approach with that will be using the buffer zone that it's not, it's not like a very big verge or anything like that. We've probably got like maybe two or three meters, but.[00:15:00]
Using vertical elements getting some nice structural trees and so that when they're in the building, they're looking out, they feel like they're amongst the garden. So
Karyn: that's going to be
Adam McDonald: a big part of our direction when we get to it properly. But yeah, I know it's very true that with that 1, like, when we've got those type of projects where, it's.
It's really scaled back on size and quite limited. I guess that's where we rely on our planting. But because, and that's something that we're very passionate about the planting and put a lot of effort into. And I think a lot of our planting, hopefully it has its own style to it somewhat so that, you can generally hopefully tell that Impressions Garden is a little bit different to some other gardens.
With that, I think that's what we'll have to do. We're going to rely heavily on our planting there and just come up with really beautiful textures, forms nice scale and proportions. And that's how we'll really concentrate on getting a really nice design there.
Karyn: Yeah. And have you found in like the last, we did an episode on biophilic. Design, like it's very prolific, in the last few years. [00:16:00] So has there been a lot of incorporation in terms of, office fit outs or any other commercial jobs that you've done where you've been really a main integral part of that?
Has there been a big increase?
Adam McDonald: Yeah, no, like not for us. I wish there was, I would like, that'd be like really interesting. I'd really like to do that. Yeah. We have projects, we've got a project at Paddington at the moment where we've got like a little, it's very tiny, that little sort of internal courtyard, like a little atrium style thing.
But with that, we're just, we're just trying to find a specific plan. It's quite minimalist, quite understated, but that's along those lines. So I think there, there's definitely great scope for that. It would be, that'd be like a really interesting thing to get into.
And, we often have like little nooks and voids in houses where we have to come up with design. So that's probably as close as that to that, that
Helen: would have its own challenges in itself as well, wouldn't it? I'm creating a beautiful garden internally in a building with drainage and all that sort of thing.
And particularly in Cronulla, you see a lot of these apartment blocks with [00:17:00] amazing gardens along the balcony and these lovely plants and it looks fabulous. But when it comes to, construction of it, you'd have to be really mindful, I would imagine, of the drainage and how that's all going to work over time and not, create more issues within the building, but still have those beautiful natural plants.
Both inside and out, you'd have to work fairly closely, I would imagine, with the architect and the builder to resolve those issues.
Adam McDonald: Yeah, no, that's a good point there, Helen. The drainage is like the biggest killer of
Karyn: plants
Adam McDonald: we need to make sure, and especially when it's associated with the house structure it's, it can be riddled with troubles, if not done correctly.
But, it is a good thing to, Do just got to make sure that the right practices are put into play. We've got a project at the moment, which is over at Bronte and it's we're coming in. I think the house probably designed 20 years ago. But basically like we're seeing the flip side of that because we're coming in to create a new setting and there's like lots of like podium slabs and rooftop gardens.
[00:18:00] Involved and just seeing dealing with the original builder, there wasn't an architect involved too, but like they had some planters there and, as time has gone by, they've discovered little water issues that have happened. Now, part of this whole revival is about making sure that we can correct those and there'll be no issues in the future.
Yeah, it is an ongoing thing, that we have to be mindful of.
Helen: Yeah, I think that's, it's a shame, but I think that's why the artificial plants seem to have taken a bit of a a step ahead. People want that beautiful landscape feel, but they're scared of the maintenance for one.
And I guess if it's an established building and they haven't allowed the specific drainage, but I think it's taken a flip though. I think in the last
Karyn: few years, it's more,
Adam McDonald: more authentic. Authentic to real.
Helen: Yeah. I think
Adam McDonald: people are aware. I was about to start shivering and, hyper sick then because I could not think of anything worse than seeing artificial plants on a building.
Sorry, but Oh no. But yeah, I know what you're saying. There did, there was a bit of a period there where it was Yeah, it was quite, it was [00:19:00] everywhere,
Helen: wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. It was like, no, I want art. And clients would say, no, I want artificial plants because I don't want. The maintenance, but you've still got to dust them, but
Karyn: they're not good
Helen: for you to say toxins that they probably give up over time aren't good.
Whereas a real plant, like a living, breathing plant is so good mentally and physically for your health and wellbeing of the people in. In the office space as well. It's just, we just need to encourage that a little bit more. Yeah, no, and yeah,
Adam McDonald: it's definitely the best solution. It just needs to be thought through properly.
And, with that, as long as there's a plan for the future with it, I think it's definitely the way to go. And there is more and more of it. You're seeing, it's quite common to see a lot of these new, even multi res, large scale architectural masterpieces, in various parts of the world that, There, there's a lot of this going on.
It just it's exciting. It, and I think it does have its place. It's just, I guess there's a process to making sure that they [00:20:00] don't fail.
Karyn: Yeah. It's all comes down to the waterproofing and the maintenance. Yeah. Doesn't it?
Adam McDonald: Yeah, it does. Doesn't
Helen: well worth. It's well worth. The core and the inclusion and the investigation and doing it properly and getting that end result.
I mean anything a great bit of extra effort and time and thought pays off a bit more thought goes into it. Yeah. So landscaping often comes with its unique challenges as we've been talking about. Is there any particular project that you're that you can think of that has had its own challenges That you've had to come up with an innovative solution.
I guess the one that you were just talking about that comes to mind. You've just mentioned it with the garden and the pool and how something very creative and innovative has come from that. Is there any others that you can think of that or is that. Probably your best.
Adam McDonald: Yeah, like it's very it's quite common part of what we do.
I'd say it does, historically we've we've had a, got a bit of a tra tradition of having a run of projects where that, that, that is basically like there's a difficult solution and we've got to try and solve them [00:21:00] and that, that can be, that can be very rewarding when you get it right.
Just one example. which, maybe on the different in a different spectrum to what the other project we're discussing, we just working on a project at Oatley recently, which was yeah, very large, very challenging, very difficult sort of access project. So that changed our whole design philosophy.
And, obviously once again, the critical component to it was like, taking, we obviously we had a client brief that we had to be mindful of. There's obviously the the conditions of the site and access that were part of it as well. There's like budget that can be considered.
Unfortunately, but yeah, it's a. With that, like this project the client brief, like it was very hilly, rocky, steep site, no real access up the side. I think, I don't think we could even fit a wheelbarrow. Oh,
Karyn: wow. Wow. That's tight.
Adam McDonald: Completely tight. And I'd say from the, we worked on the rear, I'd say from like, when you enter the rear from the side passage down to the very [00:22:00] bottom, it was something like, I don't know, maybe like 60, 70 steps.
So with that one and it was quite large we worked closely with the client in trying to achieve, the landscape that they were after, which was, they wanted something that was like really natural they wanted to maintain a lot of the natural endemic species that were already located and use like really natural material.
So that in essence when the garden develops, it somewhat just looks integrated into it, like much, a little bit more like a national park type setting. So that one was quite challenging because with the design process, we had to really think it through, okay we've got all this, these stairs that we need to build, how are we going to build them and how are we going to get them in there?
With that one, we had to carefully design step treads out of stone that were basically. Cut to size so that you'd get like a 150.
Karyn: Yeah,
Adam McDonald: and but like really natural looking boulders. It was the sort of cut to size and then we've had to place them, but we had to plan it so that we knew that we could.
[00:23:00] manhandle those step treks.
Karyn: You literally had to carry them down the side.
Adam McDonald: Yeah, we had we got, we had machinery in there as well. So like part of it was like, we had to really plan it. We got lucky that there was a rear neighbor that we actually approached and they allowed us to.
Karyn: Oh, nice.
Adam McDonald: Their backyard to get bulk soil in and out.
Helen: That was good.
Adam McDonald: Waste. So that was very nice of them. And obviously like we made sure that we looked after them and did some extra work for them and, big thank you gift at the end. But but with that, that was one component, but because the site was so difficult, we had, you couldn't go all the way from the top of the site Out because it was just too far and too challenging.
So we had to divide it up. So the top half of the site, we were using machinery conveyor belt systems, so that we could remove material or bring material in. And yeah, it was just, it was very labor intensive, but with that in mind that the, we had to be really careful with the budget for this client as well.
So there was a lot being balanced. At once, so that was probably like a really good example because the [00:24:00] whole design, I feel like we did really well at achieving what the client was after, we were able to tick pretty much, all those boxes where it otherwise would have been very difficult, and that does happen.
Like we get projects like that from time to time, they'll come to us where they'll say, They know it's challenging and it's not something that everyone will be able to successfully carry out. So yeah that, that does happen a fair bit.
Karyn: So did that take quite a few weeks to build that garden?
Adam McDonald: Oh, it was, yeah, no, it was probably
Karyn: at
Adam McDonald: least five months or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a decent project.
Helen: Sometimes we have to compromise as well, if it's too difficult and generally, anything can be done, but if you're looking at budget as well. Sometimes with clients, you've got to compromise and go okay, you've got this option and this is the ideal, but this is the cost.
And if it's going to completely blow their budget, then you've got to pull back and do the best you can, within the limitations, that we're all facing every time we do a design. Yeah,
Adam McDonald: exactly.
Helen: That's really good. You were able to get [00:25:00] that one and achieve the result that the client was after.
Yeah,
Adam McDonald: no it was, that was like, that was one example. We've had plenty, there's always like stool raisements and things like that. We should have that to play. They can be quite troublesome. We did one of, one of the ones on our website, which is Jardin Bonnydoon, which is in Baroneer, we, when we did that one, when we started, we were we awarded the project.
It was nothing, but it was just a tennis court there. It was like, I think maybe 2 tennis courts on this site. It had like heritage listing at the front. We had sewer easement at the rear and it was a very ambitious house. It was. Taking up a lot of the site calculations.
Helen: Yeah.
Adam McDonald: And then obviously with the council planning requirements, like we, we had to create really efficient terracing that, we went to council a number of times coming back and forward, trying to balance, the heights of walls so that we could create.
Terrace setting for our clients.
Helen: Yeah.
Adam McDonald: And then also manage the landscape ratio. So those type of things, those type of attributes to projects they become quite common. I think as you get further through [00:26:00] your career, you get more involved with them because people rely on your experience to get through.
Helen: Yeah,
Karyn: absolutely.
Helen: And I guess on that note, you've made me think of it. Another point too, with your line of work is it's good to plan ahead if you're building a new home or to actually think of the landscaping while you're planning the construction or the dwelling itself, because it's not exactly the same, but it's always good to do it all together as a whole package, because I like for us, a lot of people go, Oh, the curtains and the window coverings come last, but.
If you haven't made allowances for pelments and things like that, then you've just got your window covering stuck on it. You're limited to what you can do and what you can achieve. It can really impact the end result. And the same would apply with landscaping. I'm sure a lot of people are thinking, Oh, we'll just get someone come in And afterthought around, your home, it'd be nice to think of all of that in the whole, while you're dwelling as well,
Karyn: the most successful projects are when the architect, the landscape designer, the interior designer and the builder all get together at some [00:27:00] point and meet and, there's a collaboration around what the whole thing is going to turn out in the end.
Yeah. Rather than just a bit of this and a bit of that and a bit of this trade. So yeah, definitely.
Adam McDonald: And that's what's, working with you guys as well. That's how it works. They like wear it. It's the same mentality, isn't it? And when we work on projects, it's it's not about one individual component.
It's about coming together and collaborating and getting that result. And I think a successful project is one that, when from viewing the house, entering it, walking through it, and then out into the garden and the landscaping, it all just feels consistent.
Karyn: Yes.
Adam McDonald: That's a successful project.
Karyn: Absolutely. On that note, thank you very much for joining us this afternoon, Adam. It's been great learning about your business and where you've come from. And again, happy 21st.
Adam McDonald: Thank you. Yeah. I might have a celebration after this.
Karyn: You're in a new office and your 21st birthday, so a big year for you guys.
Again, thanks for joining us. We'll put your company details in the show notes and with the And have a great weekend and we'll talk to [00:28:00] you soon. Thanks for
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